Stainless steel octagon barrel with drift adjustable front sight, elevation adjustable rear sight. It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. They are two different Italian firearms manufacturing companies. 1883 Burgess Manual. I dont use grease on the cylinder. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. I was watching them in the 80s and was able to watch all of the Clint Eastwoood movies multiple times. For the first 50 rounds the cylinder was very tight and a pain in the butt to fit in and out of the frame, but it is broken in and now I can change it with ease, but Im still not as fast as Clint in Pale rider. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I load as follows: Actions 44 BP; 60% blue, fair bore, fair grips, 7.75'' barrel, Made in Italy. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. My very first Cap & Ball Revolver was replica of aaan1860 Colt Army Revolver. Retail $300. Many folks have made the same mistake, though. Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. Bore inn very good condition showing some light surface corrosion. gens. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. Once a year I strip them right down to the last screw, wipe the mixture of oil and black powder residue off them,(Never found any rust!) We spotted this boxed ASM Walker at a pawn and gun shop at a price I couldn't pass up. This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. Walnut stock. 1899. Cimarron Thunderer and Bought both of mine mail order from Cabelas. Ramrod present. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. I have replacements now, but I keep it around as a back-up. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. FEMALE PEOPLE, Riding into the sunset in a living room near you, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Bayou Bounty Hunters, Deadwood Marshals, Border Vigilantes, Damascus Wildlife Rangers, Thurmont Rangers, Westshore Posse, Monocacy Illregulars, Potomac Rangers, Cedar Valley Vigilantes, Granite City Gunslingers, Chorro Valley Regulators, Home of The John Wayne Shoot-Out now The SASS Western Regional, The ORIGINAL Pozo River Vigilance Committee, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Chorro Valley Regulators, Pozo River Vigilence Committee, piru hole in wall, deadwood boys and ojai desperados, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. 1883 Burgess Manual. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. They were in a nut shell, junk. Thanks Dan. Buffalo. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. The definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned for usingrimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is not readily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. Perfect for display and target shooting. Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). Great review. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. All three of my BP weapons took the same size cap. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. I love it. Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. ", Colt cap-and-ball revolvers usually dont [have] safety notches.. The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. But its not hunting. 1866 Rifle Manual. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). even the center fire 45-70 and the 45 colt cowboy rounds are NOT considered a fire arm, due to the FACT that they use slower burning black powder to fire them! Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. BORE IS GOOD 44 Caliber; 80% blue, good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. 20?) Red Coats Get Run Off. Barrel: 12 inch New in Box-never fired. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Perfect for display and target shooting. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! .44 Cal percussion. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. EMF had ASM building them before they switched to Uberti. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. Fordyce Beals. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. For Civil War pistoleros the best way to rapidly reload any cap-and-ball revolver, including the 1858, was to carry several of them, like this other guya Confederate guerilla from Missouri. Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester View more auctions here. An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. This was a very common happening in the field. ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. The ball is further squeezed when it enters the forcing cone. This is what the reg provides: The term antique firearm means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)manufactured in or before 1898. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Thanks. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. Selleck wields a S&W Scholfield and a 1860 (I think) Colt open frame Army. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester oops! Pew Poll: Gun Control Losing Steam, Money and Popularity, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. Very scary as all get out. Great article and comments, But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. SOLD They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. That's your build date. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. On the other hand if you order over the Internet, there is a very high probability that at least one U.S. alphabet agency will have a record of your activity. 1885 High Wall Manual. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? The 2nd ASM is a Colt SAA clone, the EMF "Hartford" model. Lightning Manual. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. My days of reloading by the thousands are past, so a pair of these are a real find at less then $300 bucks. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. I am sure it will do for deer. View more auctions here. Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. Model: 1858. A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! If youve ever thought about getting into cap-and-ball pistols, and want an easy-to-use handgun thats also rugged and dependable, check out an 1858 Remington. 1873 Rifle Manual. He then shoots it. I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. 1873 Rifle Manual. .44 Cal percussion. Definitely a 50-yard whitetail gun. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. Not that theres anything wrong with that. Hes got an 1858 Remington in each hand, and looks like at least two more on his belt. Oil finished walnut stock with 44 BP; 97% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. He carried a nickel plated 8 Remington 1858 and a peacemaker. Just my opinion. .44 Cal percussion. It was late at night and I could hear my dog fighting with something. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. Many find that the higher loads are less accurate. Bluing shows some wear and 45 Caliber; 95% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, Mendi .45 caliber black powder reproduction single shot pistol. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) A home run! Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Theyll NEVER rust this way. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. Our governor says that they can melt when shot I have a few black powder guns I have hunted with them for years and have yet seen one melt down .But the Local store here wont order one for you. Got one of each. You could become the next Farinelliif youre lucky. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. So feel free to experiment. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. At that price, I bought it. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. 44 BP; excellent bore, good grips, 8'' barrel, Made in Italy. New in Box-never fired. Max load? The bucks are off limits. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. I took to to a gunshop that has a lot of cowboy guns. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. At the poor fellows Autopsy! The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. THE FRAME, HAMMER AND RAM ROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN 97% OF EUROARMS 1858 REMINGTON NEW ARMY - C56032, Westerners Arms Colt Percussion Revolver - C56011, Mendi Single Barrel Percussion Pistol - C55991, Italian Guild Remington Percussion - C55994, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army The 1858 Remmy is my favorite gun. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. Or even from New York? I've heard the stories of ASM's being of poor quality, however these two .45's are very nice. It has never given me a lick of trouble, and whenever I am at a shoot where I want to do as best I can, it will be in my right holster, with a 3rd Gen Colt in my left. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. The Remington cost about 50 cents more per copy than the various Colt models, due to the top strap frame construction, and was not as widely issued. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. 1860 Henry Manual. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. See 18 U.S.C. Stainless steel. Perfect for display and target shooting. Java, from Plymouth MA. Customer Service. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. Actually, percussion caps come in slightly different sizes, as do nipples. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS FRECKLING ALONG WITH LIGHT MUZZLE WEAR. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 Used, showing light wear and handling, turn line on cylinder. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. I carry a Sheriffs Model for Self Defense, every day! One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. 1876 Rifle Manual. Still have one that is now a back up. I might be wrong about this! . If were arbitrarily going to pick a time period of weaponry that makes you a true hunter, lets go caveman. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer.